Air Force One Andrews, Roger. Go ahead with your traffic now, sir
Kellerman: Digest to Duplex, how's this?
Behn: Go ahead Digest - this is Duplex.
Kellerman: Again, I repeat... Three helicopters to transport people to the White House lawn. Okay?
Behn: That is affirmative.
Kellerman: Roger, Okay... White House 102 and 405X, transportation to the Navy Hospital, okay?
Behn: That is affirmative.
Kellerman: That's a roger, uh... I am keeping, uh... I will join the General and his party at the Navy Hospital, okay?
Behn: Digest, this is Duplex - you accompany the body aboard the helicopter.
Kellerman: Roger.
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Sunday, May 7, 2017
David Von Pein's Provable Lie.
David Von Pein Wrote:The fact is this -- Nobody knows for certain whether Oswald listed Hidell on the Dallas P.O. Box [#2915] form or not. The likelihood is that he probably DID list that name, but the portion of the application that revealed such information was discarded after Oswald closed out the box.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07...tions.html
Unfortunately for this forum's rather wicked liar... that's not what the evidence shows... I invite everyone to turn to CE 2585, and zip down to page 4, where it states:
12. CLAIM: The Post Office Box in Dallas to which Oswald had the rifle mailed was kept under both his name and that of "A. Hidell" Page 111.
INVESTIGATION: Our investigation has revealed that Oswald did not indicate on his application that others, including an "A. Hidell," would receive mail through the box in question, which was Post Office Box 2915 in Dallas. This box was obtained by Oswald on October 9, 1962, and relinquished by him on May 14, 1963.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/...E_2585.pdf
THIS IS THE EVIDENCE!!! And David Von Pein is perfectly aware of it - YET HE BLATANTLY AND OUTRAGEOUSLY POSTS AN ASSERTION THAT IS COMPLETELY CONTRARY TO THIS KNOWN EVIDENCE!!
David Von Pein is a proven liar.
And since he'll ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to acknowledge that he's been caught lying, he's a coward too...
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Oswald's Post Office Box #2915
Here's a never answered golden oldie post:
Speaking of the sleazy lies being told by Henry Sienzant... the correct post office box that the Warren Commission alleges that Oswald received a rifle at - would be box 2915...
The documentation for this box was never produced - BUT THE FBI ACTUALLY SAW IT... either that, or they lied about it. In Commission Exhibit 2585 - the FBI states that "INVESTIGATION: Our investigation has revealed that Oswald did not indicate on his application that others, including an "A. Hidell," would receive mail through the box in question, which was Post Office Box 2915 in Dallas. This box was obtained by Oswald on October 9, 1962, and relinquished by him on May 14, 1963.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/...E_2585.pdf
It would be interesting to see how Henry Sienzant or Patrick Collins explain the fact that the FBI claims to have seen a document that was never produced for the Warren Commission. (or, for that matter; *ANY* believer!)
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Speaking of the sleazy lies being told by Henry Sienzant... the correct post office box that the Warren Commission alleges that Oswald received a rifle at - would be box 2915...
The documentation for this box was never produced - BUT THE FBI ACTUALLY SAW IT... either that, or they lied about it. In Commission Exhibit 2585 - the FBI states that "INVESTIGATION: Our investigation has revealed that Oswald did not indicate on his application that others, including an "A. Hidell," would receive mail through the box in question, which was Post Office Box 2915 in Dallas. This box was obtained by Oswald on October 9, 1962, and relinquished by him on May 14, 1963.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/...E_2585.pdf
It would be interesting to see how Henry Sienzant or Patrick Collins explain the fact that the FBI claims to have seen a document that was never produced for the Warren Commission. (or, for that matter; *ANY* believer!)
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Thursday, May 4, 2017
Common Sense In The JFK Case...
Anytime someone uses the phrase "common sense" when it comes to the JFK case, you can be ABSOLUTELY SURE that someone is trying to evade the actual evidence.
It's often said, for example, that it's merely "common sense" that a bullet striking JFK, and not ending up in the limo, must have struck Connally.
This is a lie, and based on a number of implied assertions that will never be spelled out.
The first assumption that will never be explained is that the bullet *TRANSITED* JFK's body.
There never has been any medical evidence for such a transit, and during the autopsy, none was found.
One cannot simply draw a line between wounds - because the first thing a believer has to do is move the wound. (as was HISTORICALLY done by the Warren Commission)
Nor will someone asserting the SBT as "common sense" ever publicly admit that this is based on speculations made after the autopsy was over.
And evidence shows that this speculation of transit wasn't made that first weekend, as is often pre-supposed... Rankin makes it clear in January that the autopsy report *HE* was reading was ascribing the throat wound to a fragment from the head shot...
This shows that there was a bit of evidence shuffling going on in the government... or that Rankin couldn't read.
So anytime the phrase "common sense" occurs in this case... start examining the underlying hidden assumptions being made.
Because someone is CERTAINLY lying...
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It's often said, for example, that it's merely "common sense" that a bullet striking JFK, and not ending up in the limo, must have struck Connally.
This is a lie, and based on a number of implied assertions that will never be spelled out.
The first assumption that will never be explained is that the bullet *TRANSITED* JFK's body.
There never has been any medical evidence for such a transit, and during the autopsy, none was found.
One cannot simply draw a line between wounds - because the first thing a believer has to do is move the wound. (as was HISTORICALLY done by the Warren Commission)
Nor will someone asserting the SBT as "common sense" ever publicly admit that this is based on speculations made after the autopsy was over.
And evidence shows that this speculation of transit wasn't made that first weekend, as is often pre-supposed... Rankin makes it clear in January that the autopsy report *HE* was reading was ascribing the throat wound to a fragment from the head shot...
This shows that there was a bit of evidence shuffling going on in the government... or that Rankin couldn't read.
So anytime the phrase "common sense" occurs in this case... start examining the underlying hidden assumptions being made.
Because someone is CERTAINLY lying...
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Wednesday, May 3, 2017
The "Brilliance" Of A Moronic Post...
This brilliantly moronic post was found in the censored forum:
On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 6:09:32 PM UTC-7, BT George wrote:
&t As I was pondering "Patsy Plots" the other day, a few questions about the
&t brilliant strategies behind such a "plot" came to mind.
&t
&t For instance, why on Earth "they" would go to great lengths to frame
&t Oswald with a rifle that he either never owned, never ever practiced with,
&t or that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn anyway
For the simple reason that they couldn't credibly frame him with a baseball bat.
You see, JFK was *shot*, not beat to death, so they needed something credible that could shoot bullets.
This is, by the way, the same reason that Oswald wasn't framed with an axe.
&t since it was
&t allegedly so bad (take your Patsy-framing CT pick) rather than simply
&t framing him with a rifle that he had owned, had practiced with, and was a
&t reliable and good weapon is beyond me.
Of course, no-one saw this rifle, no-one saw him practicing with it, nor was it a good & reliable weapon (as shown by the NRA rated "Masters" who fired it)
The evidence that he "owned" it is forged, and quite provably so...
And before you bring up Marina - just publicly admit that she *INITIALLY* denied that Oswald owned a rifle.
&t And if someone says they couldn't
&t because LHO never owned any rifle at all, then I'd say it is equally
&t beyond me why "they" chose to frame a non-gun owner.
Because a bat or an axe simply wasn't believable enough.
&t But hey, that's not the least of their stupidities, 'cause "they" also
&t apparently chose to shoot at Kennedy from multiple directions and with
&t different weapons which "they" then had to bring more plotters into the
&t plan at the autopsy to conceal and cover up that glaringly apparent fact,
&t instead of just choosing one really good assassin shooting from the right
&t location, with the right kind of stuff.
And your expertise with assassinating people is ... what?
Your mere opinion isn't evidence... doesn't even come *close* to being evidence.
Indeed, res ipsa loquitur... they did it, they succeeded, they fooled you.
And the fact that they had to literally kidnap the body, and remove it from its legally required autopsy in Dallas - to bring it to an autopsy that was controlled by military order - shows the conspiracy in action.
&t But still not content with mere bone-headedness, "they" decided to let
&t their Patsy roam freely on every floor of the TSBD *but* the 6th floor
That's simply a blatant lie.
There's *NO* critic I'm aware of who doesn't place Oswald on the 6th floor up til around 11:50 or so.
Nor will you CITE any such person.
You can't debate what critics *ACTUALLY* state, so you simply make things up. This fact shows your desperation & dishonesty, nothing more.
&t (the one place anyone with a brain just "knows" he never was) just begging
&t for him to go out and join the other workers to watch the passing parade
&t and/or be seen inside by any number of witnesses who could have easily
&t supplied him with an alibi.
They did.
&t And for the coup de grace of "brilliance"
&t "they" let him live a couple of days in police custody where he could be
&t paraded in front of the world's press and potentiallybsing about all the
&t ways to verify he was being set up!
&t
&t A master plan indeed!
&t
&t BT George
I left the authors name on this "brilliantly" moronic post, because I want him to have *ALL* the credit.
Sadly, such morons won't answer the actual evidence...
Even from just this post... show the evidence that Oswald paid for the rifle...
Name the people who witnessed Oswald "practicing" with the rifle...
Name the critics who don't believe Oswald was on the 6th floor that morning...
Tell us why the NRA rated "Masters" couldn't duplicate the shooting feat alleged by the Warren Commission to have been done by Oswald...
Tell us why the prosectors were forbidden from doing their ordinary job at the autopsy...
Tell us how Oswald managed to be seen by witnesses after 12 noon DOWNSTAIRS...
Tell us how Oswald managed to fire a rifle, yet come up negative on the cheek cast...
Tell us why believers are such cowards when it comes to questions about the evidence...
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On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 6:09:32 PM UTC-7, BT George wrote:
&t As I was pondering "Patsy Plots" the other day, a few questions about the
&t brilliant strategies behind such a "plot" came to mind.
&t
&t For instance, why on Earth "they" would go to great lengths to frame
&t Oswald with a rifle that he either never owned, never ever practiced with,
&t or that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn anyway
For the simple reason that they couldn't credibly frame him with a baseball bat.
You see, JFK was *shot*, not beat to death, so they needed something credible that could shoot bullets.
This is, by the way, the same reason that Oswald wasn't framed with an axe.
&t since it was
&t allegedly so bad (take your Patsy-framing CT pick) rather than simply
&t framing him with a rifle that he had owned, had practiced with, and was a
&t reliable and good weapon is beyond me.
Of course, no-one saw this rifle, no-one saw him practicing with it, nor was it a good & reliable weapon (as shown by the NRA rated "Masters" who fired it)
The evidence that he "owned" it is forged, and quite provably so...
And before you bring up Marina - just publicly admit that she *INITIALLY* denied that Oswald owned a rifle.
&t And if someone says they couldn't
&t because LHO never owned any rifle at all, then I'd say it is equally
&t beyond me why "they" chose to frame a non-gun owner.
Because a bat or an axe simply wasn't believable enough.
&t But hey, that's not the least of their stupidities, 'cause "they" also
&t apparently chose to shoot at Kennedy from multiple directions and with
&t different weapons which "they" then had to bring more plotters into the
&t plan at the autopsy to conceal and cover up that glaringly apparent fact,
&t instead of just choosing one really good assassin shooting from the right
&t location, with the right kind of stuff.
And your expertise with assassinating people is ... what?
Your mere opinion isn't evidence... doesn't even come *close* to being evidence.
Indeed, res ipsa loquitur... they did it, they succeeded, they fooled you.
And the fact that they had to literally kidnap the body, and remove it from its legally required autopsy in Dallas - to bring it to an autopsy that was controlled by military order - shows the conspiracy in action.
&t But still not content with mere bone-headedness, "they" decided to let
&t their Patsy roam freely on every floor of the TSBD *but* the 6th floor
That's simply a blatant lie.
There's *NO* critic I'm aware of who doesn't place Oswald on the 6th floor up til around 11:50 or so.
Nor will you CITE any such person.
You can't debate what critics *ACTUALLY* state, so you simply make things up. This fact shows your desperation & dishonesty, nothing more.
&t (the one place anyone with a brain just "knows" he never was) just begging
&t for him to go out and join the other workers to watch the passing parade
&t and/or be seen inside by any number of witnesses who could have easily
&t supplied him with an alibi.
They did.
&t And for the coup de grace of "brilliance"
&t "they" let him live a couple of days in police custody where he could be
&t paraded in front of the world's press and potentiallybsing about all the
&t ways to verify he was being set up!
&t
&t A master plan indeed!
&t
&t BT George
I left the authors name on this "brilliantly" moronic post, because I want him to have *ALL* the credit.
Sadly, such morons won't answer the actual evidence...
Even from just this post... show the evidence that Oswald paid for the rifle...
Name the people who witnessed Oswald "practicing" with the rifle...
Name the critics who don't believe Oswald was on the 6th floor that morning...
Tell us why the NRA rated "Masters" couldn't duplicate the shooting feat alleged by the Warren Commission to have been done by Oswald...
Tell us why the prosectors were forbidden from doing their ordinary job at the autopsy...
Tell us how Oswald managed to be seen by witnesses after 12 noon DOWNSTAIRS...
Tell us how Oswald managed to fire a rifle, yet come up negative on the cheek cast...
Tell us why believers are such cowards when it comes to questions about the evidence...
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